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Diaconu, you get back what you put out. The Devil is not mentioned directly in "In Search of the Miraculous" - but the question of whether or not there is a conscious force of evil is discussed, and so is the topic of 'black magic.' The Devil is d...
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Yes, obvious. I guess I was expecting a more "esoteric" answer :) I suppose you've read quite a lot of fourth way literature. Can you please point me where there is mentioned Satan's name?
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Fourth Way Literature Reviews 4 Replies

Started by Marnie Tunay. Last reply by Randolph Moore Jul 3.

 

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A theme proposal: 'beginnings'

In a previous blog-post, I gave a beginning work exercise, a breath meditation, which was used at Claymont and by my group leaders in Ontario:

http://fourthwayforum.ning.com/profiles/blogs/fourth-way-techniques-part-one

This breath meditation has a deep connection to the theme of 'beginnings,' because of the way it works on the attention. Done well, it purifies and calms the subtle energy associated with the power of attention. It facilitates the gathering and focusing of one's attention.

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Posted by Marnie Tunay on August 15, 2009 at 1:06am

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Reliable Fourth Way Knowledge: good places to search for it (part one)

I will be adding to this blog from time to time, as I find sources in which I personally feel at least some confidence. (And thanks to Debra Strickland for giving me a little nudge along these lines.)

Work weekends and seminars, from people with a great deal of experience in the work:
http://www.campcaravan.org/

- I am aquainted with some of the people involved in Camp Caravan. I feel respect and liking for them.

An excellent source for all things John G. Bennett, including books, CD's and
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Posted by Marnie Tunay on June 2, 2009 at 2:00pm — 1 Comment

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Courtesy and Sincerity

Behind the idea of ‘courtesy’ is the idea of ‘sincerity.’ Sincerity is a condition of courtesy, in the material world, in the world of ‘qualities,’ and in the world of ‘spirit.’

People – including myself, I am sorry to say – often think they can be ‘sincere’ and ‘rude’ at the same time. We shout at someone, tell them off, reel off a list of their faults – and we think are being sincere because, at that moment, the ‘I’ that is in charge of our attention sincerely believes every accusation we
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Posted by Marnie Tunay on June 1, 2009 at 9:30am — 1 Comment

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What is the connection, if any, between 'courtesy' - and the goal of spiritual awakening?

I spent a few years in Turkey on account of a Sufi who was revered throughout Turkey: Ahmet Kayhan, mostly known to his disciples as Ahmet Dede ['Grandpa Ahmet,' his personal favourite] or as Ahmet Effendi [Master Ahmet]. I have written briefly about Ahmet Dede in a post on another site of mine:

http://fakirscanada.blogspot.com/2008/08/post-15-interlude-2-haci-ahmet-kayhan.html

Ahmet Dede once said of himself: "I am a shaykh [spiritual teacher] of the Nashqbandi* way. I teach 'edep.' [meani
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Posted by Marnie Tunay on May 30, 2009 at 1:00am — 1 Comment

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Fourth Way Techniques, Part One

I have been nudged by several online acquaintances to share practical techniques passed down to me from teachers in the Gurdjieff-Method, as Bruno Martin calls it, and in other Fourth Way* systems, such as those which may be found within the Sufi and Buddhist traditions. The theory behind Gurdjieff’s approach to spiritual enlightenment is widely available in books; the exercises in attention and other techniques are not, for the most part, available to the general public.

The reasoning behin
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Posted by Marnie Tunay on May 25, 2009 at 1:49am — 2 Comments

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What is Courtesy and what is its spiritual significance?

I have translated the sayings below from the Turkish, and this is the first time they have ever, to the best of my knowledge, been translated using the word civility instead of the word courtesy. I have never cared for the translation of the Turkish 'edep' as 'courtesy.' 'Edep' has the following meanings: courtesy, manners, good breeding, cultural knowledge and attainments - all of which said meanings are contained in the concept of 'civility,' but not in the concept of courtesy.

A person with no civility cannot be said to be truly human.
A mind unadorned with civility is a warrior without a weapon.
One who has no civility has no reliable knowledge either.

The starting-point of civility is not to talk too much.
Civility: it is to become the master of one's hand, one's tongue and one's sex energy.
True civility is to abandon the carnal soul.

Veil your faults with civility.

The spiritually astute learn civility even from those who are uncivil.
Civility is a deadly weapon against the devil.
Satan was driven from God's presence on account of his abandonment of civility.

Civility is the first requirement for spiritual advancement.
Civility is one mark of the friends of God.
One who abandons civility cannot be said to be 'wise.'

Civility is the most beneficial of the arts. It is one's provisions on the road to Reality.
 
 

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